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Then you should note that one IP address was from a msn kiosk and the other from where i work, which strangly enough is in telemarketing. As i said before these are all "possiblities" he may be the oracle he may not be i may be the one or i may not, i willing to deal with that "reality". The reality is that i am searching for something, and so should you be, not somebody to "flame" on a message board. And if this were the subject of choice on this thread then i would ask you why you feel it is neccessary to double post...about god...wouldn't you like to know you are worshipping god in the real world not from within a programmed reality. i never said i didn't believe there is a God, in fact i do believe there is a God, but i also believe that i may be imprisoned within a reality driven world much "like" the matrix, that may have it's own prophecies surrounding it...play the rules of what you perceive i perceive a world that is closed source, people that believe one thing without cause or reason other then to defend their "beliefs" that they have founded on their parents beliefs, past experience, hopes and dreams, not on what is truly revolutionary. What is Truth...What is the Matrix, these questions are one in the same, but both are subject to open source...your reply was fueled by disbelief and previous expierience...most importantly closed mindedness, the use of personal information on this thread was to threaten me, i would not make that information available if i did not want it to be, unlike many people out there, i want to be found, risk and reward is involved, but personally i would rather regret taking action in a given situation, then not taking action...the choice is yours, all i ask is that you have an "open" mind...
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730 are you a program?
i like your train of thought, there should be more minds like you comenting on this topic...
analytical29 i like your avatar, somewhat fitting don't you think
Wyote A metaphore...what if it isn't...
Summit "sleepingwraith: i like your 'reality' and 'existence' concept, however it has been established before though. Reality exists in the mind. There is no universal reality only individual reality. I have discussed this in quite a few 'reality', 'truth', 'existence', and 'consciousness' threads before."
Think a little deeper, is reality really relative? the more we can communicate without conflict or arguements, the faster we can communicate and also more efficiently. Thus our perception of reality will become more unified, so is the movie "the matrix" a way to divide our percetion of reality into yet another distracted tangent or to unify it further into something more people can agree on? The Internet is the best tool we have in communicating our thoughts to the masses...will it eventually help form our unified perception of reality?
etherealmeekle - "How do we interact with one another without a common reality?"
Good question...Isn't the internet a reality in and of itself?
sleepingwraith why aren't any of your posts showing, the resoponses to your posts are quite intruging
etherealmeekle and summityou two answered your own question without even realizing it, you were accessing eachothers realities through the same medium...the internet
summit - "As I said once before:
The world "out there", external reality, is a shared universe of common experience. It is the lowest common denominator of all our experience. We take it for granted and it supplies us with a common field of action. That is all it is. Your realm of personal "mind" is another sort of universe. You experience it every second 24/7. From your inner mind comes all meaning about everything in the "outer" universe. You may be influenced by the external world of common experience, but this inner universe exists, is very real, and is ultimately of more value than anything "out there". Why? Because what happens "out there" depends totally on what you do or what occurs with your own mind. Your personal universe is the only thing able of deciding value. What you perceive from the 'outer' universe is received and detected in your 'inner' reality."
But we are all programmed with the same source code or at least a variation of the same code. We are, for the most part an educated society, i see two people speaking of philosophies only dreamt of by the most historically significant prophets and philosophers. So in essence you two have significantly similar realities, but if one of you was
from an uneducated society your perception of these philosiphies would greatly differ. Hence education is the code in which we are all programmed and the only way to break our perception of our reality or programming is to grasp what our programming cannot decrypt. It's not a catch 22, or an impossiblity. It's accessing the essence of what the other is trying to regurgitate as their experience and perception of what they see their reality as. We are trying to decrypt the programming that another individual is explaining, accessing the individuals Open source in other words. Consider this, we are taught in school that when we see the color RED, it is the color red. We grow up "knowing" that that color, is red, we know what shade, tint and contrast of the perfect apple red is. Now consider this...I see RED, what if what i see as being RED, looks to you more like a tint of peach or green even, it wouldn't matter we were taught that that color we are looking at no matter the shade or contrast is infact RED. So i could be seeing a completely different spectrum of color then you and never know it because we were taught that what we see is in fact the color that it is no matter what our mind actually interprets...understanding our programming is the beginning to breaking out of it, matrix or not, the metaphor is true. Even so there may be an external influence injecting all forms of media with more truth then fiction...that in itself may be the point in question, i can admit the matrix may not be real, can you admit the matrix may be real? This is the open mindedness that i seek, this concept is what will truly free your mind.
analytical29 - "i think we are excited cause its something we didnt know.. and dont care if its true.. cause we are all fed up with this life"
Exactly. This is the second state of mind that will help free the masses. Understanding that we in fact have nothing to lose weather or not the matrix exists...weare driven for some unknown reason to make a yes or no decision out of fear that we are right or wrong, both possiblities are bleak, but either way its a pursuit of truth within your personal, imagined or unified reality.
What if life is in fact sped up, what if what we percieve as a years is in fact seconds, what if our liftime is only a matter of years. In essence we could percieve time at one speed and become accustomed to it in our minds. maybe death is our mind giving up to the matrix. when our bodies die in the movie "the matrix" where do they go? They died of natural causes...they are put in a casket and lowered into the ground...always six feet...sounds strange when you really step back and think about it...is that why some religions are against burning the body?
Regarding being naive,
awakendwraith - "and how do you know all of this information. have you asked every single one of them NO. so stop redharring, and don't use numbers you cant prove because it completly discredits every word out of your mouth"
regarding numbers, christianity is one of the most popular beliefs in the world, and i use the world "belief" for a reason, christianity is not a religon, at it's most basic it is a "belief" that certain things happened to certain people in history that helped bring us to where we are at now spiritually and conciously. It is naive to say we have gotten here on our own, but it is equally naive to say we havent been left in the cold a few times...we choose our battles...
etherealmeekle - "If the matrix existed what would be the point of letting us create a movie about it? If the are so smart they would realise that too many people would believe it and begin a quest for escape. What possible reason would they have for trying to destroy their control?"
i should probably mention this but i am just now combing over this topic and picking out important points, and responding to them, once i had and epiphany i went searching, this was one of the first sites i found that was serious about the matrix and it's existence, hence the reason i posted here, because weather you like it or not, people will see this and say they saw somebody proffess believably or unbelievably to being The One. We all have the potential of being The One as someone said earlier, but someone coming out and saying it creates controversy...this gets the ball rolling, it may be a thread in a forum, on a web site, on the internet, on your computer; in your home, in your town, in your province or state, in your country, in your continent, in your world, in your solar system, in your star cluster, in your galaxy, in your universe...everything is subsequent to everything else you percieve, everything built up on everthing else. If i knew more about molecular anatomy i could microsubdivide existence to it's simplest for but you get the idea, macromultipling our existence will only lead to something larger then anyone could comprehend "vis-a-vis" the universe as an atom an atom as the universe, they are equally small yet equally large yet strangly equal in all aspects. equally complicated and equally simple. the point is "the matrix" movies may have been created as a freeing program by those in the real world, much like a hack, all they would have to do is give the right person the right idea and vision and they could create it. For all we know the wachoski brothers are mere pawns in a grand scheme to free us from the actual matrix, or just the creators of a "cult" classic that will be remembered in pop culture for years to come as being that one movie that actually challenged your beliefs...it's up to each of us to decide after all it is only our fate that we have control over
(*disco*) - "Take a look around you. Ignorance is everywhere. Do you think that the average human can grasp this concept and would so willingly...that the world could have been intelligently designed by another force (god, aliens)? Because GOD is the only widely accepted idea. Everyone else is obsessed conspiracy theory?
By creating a movie such as the Matrix you do not destroy the illusion of control. If it we live in the matrix then the movie was designed into it for a purpose...and you *think* that purpose is to destroy control...but most likely not.
The illusion of control is probably something totally different and more bizzare than you can grasp.
The idea of intelligent design, love and the meaning of life are all themes and part of the human condition....why do we exist?
There is only one way to LEAVE THE MATRIX. Have no fixed address and by extension no bills. By removing yourself from the credit system, government records and those kinds of things you can leave the reality of human life today. And thats the only way at present."
You raise some of the most valuable points i've read yet, i also enjoy your thoughts of intellegent design, i wish you had of expanded on the idea of intellegent design, you have quite an argument by that...
analytical29 - disco you talk like a crazy bastard who has lost his mind....
yes then we will be disconnected from everything cause we will be dead.. there is no escaping government if you wish to stay alive what you are saying would require us to commit suicide
Hence the control we wish to escape...sounds to much like a dependent system to be simply a way in which to control society...as a group and per individual. Sounds like a program to me...that is a way to break out of the system artificially, but you only evade the system you are seeking to be free of, not truly being free...much like the amish they do this through passive use of working from the land, and if anybody does it well they do, and for that i respect them. If the matrix does exist, then they have found a way to escape it's control...only to yet again be in control because their beliefs deny change, so in essence they achieve the opposite of what they hope to...escape the control of a technological society...they are perhapes the most ironic social belief; if in fact the matrix does exist, but they get closer to what i believe then i am will to except within this reality...my goals are best met by being as close to technology as possible and in turn closer to those who can help to achieve the same goal...freedom from a world that i may or may not be able to see, hear, touch taste or smell...and that six sense that just doesn't seem to go away, the sense that says everything around me is...a little off...and that i'm a part of that surrounding willingly and also without choice. We were born into a world of "free will" by free will (our parents choosing to "conceive", by accident or on purpose), yet we did not have the free will as to choose our existence...contradiction of existence is what i find fascinating...
Wyote - "which is the point. in order to free ourselves from the world that has been pulled over our eyes, we must move beyond this realm. hence, entering the afterlife. at least this is one way to look at it. there are several others covered in philosphy as well as the movie itself.
im not saying any of this is or isnt real. what im saying is there is no way to know one way or another for certain. the exsistence of a matrix or matrix like concept is highly unprobable however."
I like your choice of words...improbable...open mindedness in a world of closed source...
Wyote - the only thing that stops most religious people from killing themselves is the notion that in doing so it may prohibit them from entering a "good" afterlife. simply put, fear. unless of course you believe in reincarnation, in which case killing yourself may result in having to start all over again, which doesnt create as much fear, but does seem rather pointless.
suppose i tell you i have died. i know without a doubt but i have no way to prove it to you or anyone else. and the reason i dont kill myself immediately is because i value the time i have in this world... after all it is short lived by comparison to eternity. do you respect me? or think me to be insane?
Now this is indeed a gem...have you or havent you died? Your response will directly effect my perception of you and the repect you have gained by that statement, though if what you say is hypothetical, please treat it as such, being bold is one thing, being direct is completely another...
I am seemly anonymous though i know you exist, and you i, so my perception of you should matter even to the smallest degree, if it is a small degree then multiply that by the amount of posts you have made regarding this subject and use it to back up your statement or reinforce the point that you are or you are not reincarnated. More importantly though is the question of sanity, we all walk a fine line between a sound and an unsound mind...what do you truly believe?
"The Matrix Has You..."
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