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134 Posts / 41M
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tommybc98

Is he banned, then? Given his seeming disregard for the rules, that would seem to be the logical step.


"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

1334 Posts / 44M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

I presume he is. He last signed in on the 30th of July, 2005


"The summit is just a halfway point"

210 Posts / 39M
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Navin

i love how decius does not F around


"To kill man's hope is to kill man"

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2866 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Not that it's relevent to this discussion, I'd like to express that I give members upwards of 4-5 warnings explicitly telling them what they are doing wrong, why it is wrong, and how they can improve on it. I also say that these aren't necessarily the law of the land, but they are the law here for the sake of efficient information communication.

That is the entire purpose behind Captain Cynic. To share information, logically, and derive accurate statistical truths. Anything that disrupts that (based on MY logical understanding of "disruption" ) will not be permitted.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

856 Posts / 42M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

Deleting any posts is censorship. But, it's censorship with a purpose and that purpose is to stop captain cynic from being like the other talk forum's out there. So, all though I have only been here a short while i believe it's for the best.


"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

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2866 Posts / 94M
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Decius

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=censoring

The overall definition of censorship pertains to hiding the information being censored for political or moral reasons.

Either way, these posts are never deleted to hide the information they provide; they are deleted because they contain no (relevent) information and obstruct other information from being presented.

Hence, in a way, they are deleted because they are a form of censorship.

As if idiots are trying to prevent other people from becoming smarter because it threatens their existence, hence I prevent them from censoring us.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

134 Posts / 41M
     :   32yrs   :  
tommybc98

Heh heh...
I like this place!


"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

281 Posts / 23M
     :   53yrs   :  
Chiron

quote:
The overall definition of censorship pertains to hiding the information being censored for political or moral reasons.

Either way, these posts are never deleted to hide the information they provide; they are deleted because they contain no (relevent) information and obstruct other information from being presented.

Hence, in a way, they are deleted because they are a form of censorship.

As if idiots are trying to prevent other people from becoming smarter because it threatens their existence, hence I prevent them from censoring us.


This is beautiful. Just beautiful...

I for one cannot bear so called 'freedom of speech/liberal thinking' if this means it passively allows Neanderthal ideology to bludgeon enlightenment out of its way.

I also welcome the new forum rules, seeing as these will help me (and others) to bring clarity to our thoughts by better defining what we have to say. And bring a measure of discipline into the bargain that will serve to clear the litter of incomplete thoughts, and fear-based badgering arguments, all of which do no more than roadblock each individual learning experience.

But would like to add anyway (only my opinion) that some of the heated polemic (god) debates I read recently served to stir up and spontaneously expose issues that I'm not sure would have been dealt with if under 'stricter moderating'.

But of course I have no understanding of what moderating must be really like, and trust that the enlightened kind of thinking demonstrated in Leadership around here is not aimed at squashing this kind of spontaneity anyway.


740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

I have to say that this is a pleasing development in the forum, that how people conduct themselves is being taken seriously. However I happen to agree with ironwood to a certain degree, that by deleting the whole text you might inadvertently be censoring valid points along with a certain degree of freedom of speech.
OK I'll admit I have been upset and reacted emotionally sometimes when I have felt attacked but that only results in fuelling the debate, making you think harder about how to express your line of thinking.
Would it not be a better idea to intervene with a comment of somesort, a warning or note of mosconduct and only if subsequent posts become menacing or threatening then delete them, just a thought, I know nothing about admin on these matters.


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

281 Posts / 23M
     :   53yrs   :  
Chiron

quote:
OK I'll admit I have been upset and reacted emotionally sometimes when I have felt attacked but that only results in fuelling the debate, making you think harder about how to express your line of thinking


And this is precisely the quality which makes me love being around this site, and around other thinkers who openly, and honestly examine issues as well as themselves, in the pursuit of Truth.
I would be mortified if this was 'moderated out', but feel sure that this is definitely not Decius's intention, so no worries...


564 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
ChrisD

After reading the entire discussion and also having first hand experience with this censorship rule, I cannot say I agree with these means of 'cleansing the forum' so to speak. Rather than shoot down this idea completely (as I do feel that some posts are completely irrelevent to the intended purpose of the thread) I will suggest a possible alternative that might make everyone a little more happy.

I've read through threads where some of the posts make reference to a deleted post and I find it confusing and so I do not think that Decius' judgement for deleting posts is satisfactory. Instead I propose that when Decius (and other moderators?) find irrelevent posts, they should change the color of the post or make some other significant change to it so that if someone who is reading wants to, they can easily skip over any post deemed unsatisfactory by the moderator. This will eliminate any confusion with references to deleted posts and clean up many of the threads.

Anyone else have any suggestions regarding this problem?


"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

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2866 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

I think that branding a post as having lower value than other posts is worse than deleting it, and I also think that should not be up to the moderators (including me). A post should stay or be removed, and there should be no gray area about whether it is valuable or not.

I do not want to responsibility of having to "rate" posts, as this is exactly what you are recommending.

The removal of a post is a clear decision indicating that the post's purpose and effect do not contribute to the thread, and in most cases is anti-productive. If such posts exist, there is no reason to have them included.

I have seen other sites use this form of moderation and dislike it quite a bit. Everyone's voice is equally valid, and if someone's actual intentions are unsavory then there is no reason for it to be included at all. That is the only reason posts are removed: They do not contribute at all.

As was stated earlier, mostly everyone gets warned and helped in a non-abusive manner. I see no reason for the continued inclusion of such posts unless it's to educate people on what NOT to do, which isn't the purpose of most threads.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1309 Posts / 42M
     :   20yrs   :  
Cynic-Al

I agree with decius, branding a post useless is worse than deleting it, because it means that everyone who reads the forms can see posts that have been branded which would embarrass the poster, whereas deletion means that often only the poster and one or two others know. Deletion is also used a lot more sparingly and only if the post is a complete waste, whereas a "soft" option would probably be used more often.

And also it's up to the readers of the post to determine its merit, unless it is blatantly off topic (in a thread where that matters) or contains insults (in a non-joke context).


"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

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1446 Posts / 90M
     :   30yrs   :  
Restless Mind

quote:
I cannot say I agree with these means of 'cleansing the forum' so to speak.


As you have made this abundently aware of more times than I can count. If you dont agree with what Decius is trying to achive here go find somewhere else to complain. We all know you have complained time and time again about how the site is run and yet again I say, its not up to you how it is run.

If you have confusion to what is goin on in a thread...ask.


"My mind is tearing me apart, then it constructively puts me back together again."

564 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
ChrisD

"As you have made this abundently aware of more times than I can count. If you dont agree with what Decius is trying to achive here go find somewhere else to complain. We all know you have complained time and time again about how the site is run and yet again I say, its not up to you how it is run.

If you have confusion to what is goin on in a thread...ask."

Isn't that a little off topic? Decius, where were you on this one?


"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

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