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2004 Election

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296 Posts / 49M
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Astarte

*sighs deeply*
Jesus.

So I think Decius was taking it into the social context of how Bush is like the Jesus Factor for thinking he can save people and whatnot, I mean that's a given and it's true, if you haven't seen the PBS Frontline special on it - then don't comment. TIME did an article on this, too.

And getting this religious crazed response kind of shows that people missed the point of the sarcasm there. He was just making a joke on how BUSH views JESUS. Jesus really has nothing to do with this, actually. It's some old fart with power that's morphed this especially divine idea into his own tool, his own obsession.

So I don't want to read anymore preaching.


"Milk, almonds and pistachios."

1792 Posts / 65M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

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And getting this religious crazed response kind of shows that people missed the point of the sarcasm there.
So I don't want to read anymore preaching.
Would not want ot be accused of preaching but that was the point, that some people may have missed the sarcasm. Evidently their are miss guided people who believe 'Jesus was pro stoning people to death for not adhering to God's Commandments.
Just as as hard as it may be to concieve, they do think they have to right to force 'democracy' upon others? Kind of a paradox: how do they justify murdering those who don't adhere to the commandments when in doing so they themselves break the commandments?
Similarly how can it be a democracy if others use force to make you accept a new governing body?
I think Bush was truly dismayed that the Iraqis didn't respond like Europe did when liberated from the nazi occupation.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

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2841 Posts / 93M
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Decius

I did not mean that Bush is trying to be Jesus, actually.

I totally meant that Christianity, and its ridiculous teachings are what won the election for Bush.

The morality factor was one of the main reasons people voted for him, and of the states they polled almost an average of 70% of the people wanted gay marriage to be banned.

Christianity (the old testament) is a ruthless bullshit religion with elitism pasted all over it. It breeds a very "us against them" mentality, which is exactly what Bush is feeding off of in order to fool people.

The fact that Jesus somewhat "contradicts" the old testament is irrelevent. The old testament is still in effect, still part of the religion, and most importantly, still God's teachings that can be used to create an atmosphere of seperation from the rest of the world, "because they are backward pagans".

People choose what they want to believe, and right now you can bet your ass they are feeding off the old testament.

Hence, Jesus, who although somewhat contradicts but is still representative of the Bible, helped Bush win the election.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1792 Posts / 65M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

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I totally meant that Christianity, and its ridiculous teachings are what won the election for Bush.

I agree with you there, wholeheartedly.
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an average of 70% of the people wanted gay marriage to be banned.

Which is strange? Marriage in a church (faith of their own belief) would not hold a gay marriage. Why should getting a justice of the peace to marry gays bother their (christian) morals, the rules of a church apply to those who are its members?
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teachings that can be used to create an atmosphere of seperation from the rest of the world,
Yes, christians are to be a part of societies which they live but apart from moral values which contradict christian morality.
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Hence, Jesus, who although somewhat contradicts but is still representative of the Bible, helped Bush win the election.
What can you say, they choose to put a lie before the truth in the eyes of the world that is their witness.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

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Astarte

And then we could all argue that Jews are running the entire capitalist market.

Poor Jesus.
He just loved Mary Magdalene.
Leave him alone! *grumbles*

It's not Jesus, any other holy man, or God, that I hate, it's their damn followers.


"Milk, almonds and pistachios."

187 Posts / 63M
     :   19yrs   :  
UnderDawg

Just read the thread, well part of it.

I guess if Kerry had won I should have made a thread saying "Kerry only won because of rich liberals who sit on their ass, don't listen to a word anyone else says, hold no morals for themselves or anybody, and think because they actually know how to calculate the hypothenuse of a right triangle that they are truly aware of the things going on around them, even though they are only fed bullshit from CNN and Time and the New York Magazine, along with other media controlled by liberals."


"My drum skills > Your drum skills"

1792 Posts / 65M
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cturtle

Not being politically aware & wanting to be politically correct just what are the common traits (average) republician / democrate stance?
I mean from those I know generally republicians seem to be against social programs while democrates seem to be against, so I am wondering if this is generally true or more specific to those I know?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

187 Posts / 63M
     :   19yrs   :  
UnderDawg

well, for fear of it being said that I am generalizing, Republicans have a general stance on issues and Democrats have a general stance on issues. Republicans tend to lean more toward Christianic type views, such as high moral standards and "smiting" those who would do evil in their eyes, while Democrats tend to lean more towards their so called "open-mindedness" such as abortions, making the government more powerful, and constantly questioning other peoples motives, and I mean CONSTANTLY.


"My drum skills > Your drum skills"

3969 Posts / 50M
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Ironwood

You do realize that republicans question motives of arguing forces constantly too I hope, thats if they don't just write it off all together whether listening or not, because they don't have to think about what they do, their religion does that for them, and it works sooo well.

What are high moral values?

And as for the government being made stronger, don't make me laugh, thats the Republican dream, they just don't want it getting in the way of them making money. The increased power the Democrats tend to mention is one to try to help our own poeple (whether good ideas that are feasible or not). Whereas the Republican stronger government comes in the form of physical force against all who oppose those ideals they hold so dear, whether in our country or abroad. They want to control the world as far as I can tell. Which the democrats probably want to as well.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1792 Posts / 65M
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cturtle

ya, I was thinkibg how the values taught by Jesus are more in line with those of democrates than republician but then christians were numbered among Nazi Germany too.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

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Astarte

But are they true Christians?


"Milk, almonds and pistachios."

3969 Posts / 50M
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Ironwood

What is a true christian, one that follows a bible that has two very different sets of morals, one who picks and chooses, following Jesus but ignoring Moses and the word of god, the only directly god written words and "direct" commands.

I'd guess it would be fairly safe to say that the christians that I'm used to seeing could be explained as preaching Jesus and Practicing Moses (and a bunch of added misinterpreted bullshit, and and now bushit).


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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Astarte

You cute smart-ass, you.


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iSOUGHT|THOUGHT

lol, this will more than likely propogate into maddness but here goes

i seem to recall scripture indicating the bible is a set of information, and an incomplete set at that. the spirit of god is there to lend you unto all truth tucked between the lines. in the new testament god admits to the "old covenant" as being a mistake. he learned from it (a mistake? god? i like the fact that it's admitted in black and white) and formed a new covenant letting the old pass away.

so through faith, you read and apply- it's just that people stopped growing through the words and started editing them to assist in the assertion of their "truth".

and i know these are unrelated topics, but i'd like to make a comparrison.
the bible is a book... and cannabis is a plant.
no harm or good exists in either one, yet when taken and used by people it follows their respective paths and gains criticism all along the way from others. (as a result of the person incompetently using either of the forementioned)
some people, through the offense gathered during observation, are even in a position to create laws that govern the usage of either one.

i'm offended at the lack of allowance... it seems to me that if someone is attempting to walk down the path of growth/development/enlightenment, whatever, anything hindering the process will eventually be discarded with the next logical step bringing the hindrance to light. maybe idealistic, but i'm fed up with people taking each segment of information (especially in the divisions of religion) as the complete set.


"as i see it the only "variable" in the equation is THOUGHT. you are capable of changing this and this alone."

1792 Posts / 65M
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cturtle

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lol, this will more than likely propogate into maddness but here goes
Communication on the spirit plane isn't expressing ideas thruogh words but more like be given whole perceptions as words which relate to things like the sun shines (radiates energy) into space. Even a little would overwhelm the concious ability to cope or retain that interconnectedness, at best a faction is retained in the subscious while the conciousness grapples with correlation of the perception.The spirit via the (unconcious) subscious opens (raises) these to the conscious level as the conscious mind can cope with them.
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in the new testament god admits to the "old covenant" as being a mistake. he learned from it (a mistake? god?
The Law (OT) was given to teach mankind as a child, the Christ came to fulfill the OT, where as an adult you are held accountable to either the Law of Love (NT) or the Law of Moses (OT). The only mistake is in man's perception.
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maybe idealistic, but i'm fed up with people taking each segment of information (especially in the divisions of religion) as the complete set.
People tend to see what they want to see & be obvious to anything else. Example: I walk along a canal & noting people pointing to the water. So I go over to see what they are pointing at, a small group of seacows grazing along the edge. So I take a few photos, especially the one with scars from a prop. When I get the photos back from processing I find that just below the waterline a shopping cart lies submerged & aloong the slope near the water is styrofoam cup that has been run through a mower litters the foreground. So intent on the subject of the photo I failed to see the ugly distractions.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

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