Does the goverment have rights to penalis those it - Page 2

I never said our government is democratic based, i think its more democratic/republic. Like i said a earlier, a true democracy would not work, the eye example, so you have to through in a senate/congress/cabnite/ whatever. People should have freedoms, but to much freedom curropts...

thats is true. but how do we get to alevel that allows freedom and keeps corruption very limited

There really is no answere or way, its like how do you stop a tornado from occuring? you cant. you could try to brain wash the masses, but that wont work, because by brain washing you are taking the freedom of thought away. If you find a way please let me know.

abolish all rules and then just oppress them into doin wat u want, no human rights , no laws against cruel police torment... no hasle lol

no comment... lol

Simple, no laws = no restrisctions = You can now carry guns
Once you can start carryting guns, it doesnt matter if your a coward or not, you can still pull a trigger.

So, if someone shoots someone, they will retaliate, and then they will retaliate and so on and so forth until lots of ppl are involved and there is a huge civil war, after lots of such happening maybe people will stop shooting each other?

OR maybe fully kill of each other =O

u cant say something like that will deffinetly happen though

Its not healthy to try to have a "moral gov". Sure, morally, the government may not have the right to interfere with your life if it hasn't fulfilled its part of the deal, but that's not the gov's role.
The gov is their to insure the greater happiness of the greater number. And it so happens, that letting people commit crime at will (regardless at whether or not the gov is at fault) makes people unhappy. Therefore in the name of the greater happiness of the greater number, your going to jail if you commit a crime.

"u cant say something like that will deffinetly happen though"
The reason no lawless societies are left, is because they suck, eat shit and die.

Power to the people. Someone would drive by, honk their horn, we'd raise up our fist and cry out "POWER TO THE PEOPLE." It was a much different time back then. We believed very strongly that if the people had all the power and there was no government to interfer, it would be a perfect world. I lived in Springfield, IL. I watched a strange thing happen one winter, I think it was 1975. A blizard shut Chicago down. Chicago turned into Hell. Fires raged everywhere as people were fighting, stealing, starting fires and killing, turning over cars busses and trucks. I'm thinking to myself, "power to the people." What the hell happened. God help us if the people ever get the power. Iraq was no surprise to me, I've seen before, it happened again in LA.

I'm sorry to say, we do need our governemt. As bad as our government may be at governing us, we would be worse governing ourselves.

But at least if we fail ourselves then we wil have no one else to blame.
What you describe sounds like a riot =D
Seriously, people have to get their anger out sometimes,

"The gov is their to insure the greater happiness of the greater number. And it so happens, that letting people commit crime at will (regardless at whether or not the gov is at fault) makes people unhappy. Therefore in the name of the greater happiness of the greater number, your going to jail if you commit a crime. "

It doesnt sound like it from the responses on the war in Iraq.....
What about government crimes? If suddenly there is a huge racial debate, does it mean that the race with the most people in the country dominate because of majority? Governments do not need the majority of peoples approval to do anything. Do you beleive that the government should be able to do anything to make its people happy? Even by faking Lunar landings on the moon? (sorry to those who do belive it, personal view i guess)
Or the war on Iraq, modifying intelligence reports to try to get the majority of people beleive it was to stop a WMD attack.


No one governs the government, so there is lots of corruption, most presidents only pretend to spend time with people to boost their popularity.

Well, i think that without governments there should be more of an honor system....
But if people can then steal, other people will then be able to defend themselves, people will take up Martial Arts and other weapons training... So, why steal if theres a much bigger chance that they will be able to kick yo ass? And most probably kill you also.

The law is only giving people a false sense of security, if everyone held weapons, chances of being attacked are greatly decreased. If everyone had weapons, September 11th wouldnt have happened.

"The reason no lawless societies are left, is because they suck"
Actually, the reason they dont exist is because they are not called societies

EDIT: This thread used to be in the philosophy section, i couldnt find it, lol

Go study up on politics all of you. And quit talking shit. Did you learn all this insite in your looooooong lives? political debate has been going on since the dawn of time, and will go on forever. Its possible humans can't live under any system? I don't know, and i don't think you do.

another narrow minded gimp who thinks u need to be at least 40 before u can make any judgment on things like politics, love and all that. So what if people have been arguing about politics since the begining of time, if we all stoped now because of that reason we would have all that stuff like human rights, universal suffrage wed still be using black slaves. Maybe we can find a stable goverment, but e wont get anywere unless all the partys and goverments nowadays can start working together and consider everyone elses wants and needs besides there own. And most of all the needs of the people it governs because without people there is no goverment or country and untill both the people and the goverment realise that there will be no fair representation or equal say.

The only thing i know Nothing Real is that i want to keep my life. If this governemt does that and then some, hell i am a happy camper. I am sorry nothing Real that i am ignorant on the subject of politics, if you give me authors and books i will surly research and then do my biding in the "politic" section. I guess plato's republic does not count in this political debate section.. I really mean it Nothing give tell me the books that you consider politically corret.

Well, let us see, hmm . . . instead of the present systems of polotics what if . . .the representatives we voted for were more like sensus takers, whose purpose is to present an accurate & objective debate on the issues to the local population then inact laws & legislate by the will of the people?

a perfect but yet almost impossible goverment to establish would be one with, the liberty of a republic, a say in wat goes on in a democracy, communisms way of saving resources, the way a fasict goverment maintains its military, a socialists way of careing and providing for its people, an aristocracys sense of national pride in its country, the ability to boost economy seen in capitalist goverments. Again equaly impposible to its near perfection.