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Decius

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Man I hate that guy. But as i read a book on his idiotic statements, it occurred to me that perhaps he plays the dullard so that the American people don't expect coherent words out of his mouth.

Like, when you go watch a movie you have heard is horrible, it tends to be a "good" movie as a result.

If everyone thinks he's a dolt, when he pronounces "Congress" properly everyone feels compelled to clap.


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Angelfire

I dont think its intentional. Honestly, the guy is just a nervous man IMO and isn't the brightest chap around. I honestly think he has morals, but he's just so ignorant that he falls back on aggressive, intelligent, pragmatic and cold war cronies like Rummy and Dick.
I mean, Bush's statements changed with regards to who was going to manage Irak (there was a hint of making it more international), I suspect Powell was having some influence, Rumsfeld and Cheney have changed that since.


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What are some of the Nazi-like tactics of the Bush administration?

Let's start with war-mongering. The American Heritage Dictionary, no bastion of leftism, defines fascism as "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

Now we may not yet have a dictatorship, but we do have the extreme right with a solid lock on power in Washington today, and a glance at the top echelon of the Bush administration makes it clear that there is not just a merger, there's a thorough melding of state and business leadership in this administration. As for belligerent nationalism, what else is one to call a war of aggression like the one against Iraq, especially now that it's clear what most thinking people realized before the war even started--that Iraq had no significant offensive military capability, much less weapons of mass destruction. It was all a massive lie deliberately designed to scare the living crap out of an already nervous American public, so that they would accept the ongoing assault on the Bill of Rights being masterminded by Ashcroft. That strategy was vintage Goebbels.

Then there's the suspension of habeas corpus, right to counsel, and a host of other civil liberties. When American citizens like Jose Padilla can be clapped into prison--a military prison at that--with no charges filed, no access to friends or relatives, and no right to talk to a lawyer, we have crossed a line into fascist territory. Maybe we haven't reached the point of wholesale mass arrests and concentration camps (though even that, reportedly, is being contemplated by the proto-fascist Ashcroft, and we know who appointed that right-wing religious zealot and racist to his post), but once the principle of arrest without charge or trial is accepted by the courts, the move to camps is a quantitative, not a qualitative step. I would note that, Guantanamo, where hundreds of Afghan combattants have been languishing in horriffic conditions, is being turned into a concentration camp, and Bush has ordered the establishment of a kangaroo-court military tribunal assemblyline that ends with a gas chamber and execution, so maybe even that parallel will prove prescient.

What is particularly troubling about the Bush administration's enthusiastic foray into preventative detention and arrest without charge is that it is also appointing wholesale a group of federal judges at all levels who have little or no respect for such niceties as habeas corpus or the right to face one's accuser. Eventually, if this process continues, victims of Ashcroft's mad vendetta against civil rights and liberties will have no one to turn to but equally rightwing and perverse jurists like Antonin Scalia and his adoring acolyte Clarence Thomas.

It's worth pointing out too that Hitler was not the monster of 1939 when he took power in 1933. Indeed, when he first came to power, in the wake of the Reichstag fire, a traumatized nation saw him as a savior of the German government, which at the time was a parliamentary democracy. Even as he began ratcheting down the rights of the citizenry, and as his brownshirted minions and his gestapo began oppressing certain unpopular minorities and political enemies on the left, there were many, including in the United States, who saw Der Fuhrer positively (Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh come immediately to mind). So the fact that the Bush administration is not at this point a fascist government should not preclude or deter us from examining its behavior for evidence of fascist-like behavior.

The fundamental difference I see between the Germany of the middle 1930s and the America of today is that, even as many Americans sit on their sofas and absorb the propaganda that passes for news on their TV sets, there remains a vestigial notion of democracy and civil liberties, the legacy of over two centuries of American civil society. A significant percentage of Americans--certainly far greater than in Hitler's Germany in the years before World War II--are troubled by the current trampling of democracy and the Bill of Rights, as attested by the wave of towns and cities and even state governments which have passed statutes protecting the Bill of Rights against the Aschroft-inspired onslaught of the Patriot Act.

So let's make ourselves clear here. George Bush is not Hitler. Yet. America is not a fascist state. Yet. John Ashcroft isSwell, let's not go there. The attorney general, a man whose claim to fame is having lost an election to a dead man, is perhaps the leading edge of a drive in that direction.

Wall Street Journal commentator Taranto may mock Counterpunch and other publications that point to fascist tendencies in the current administration, but he had his forebears aplenty in 1930s Germany, where the newspapers of the day were awash in apologists for Chancellor Hitler's gradual assumption of dictatorial powers. These pundits, like Taranto and his ilk, failed or were unwilling to see where things were heading, and justified the obvious erosion of freedom and democracy in the name of combating the scourge of terrorism and revolution, as well as the threat of the "other" posed by such undesirables as the Jews and the Gypsies. Today's American counterparts of these apologists, like Taranto, justify the setting aside of long-standing civil liberties in the name of combating terror and dealing with such undesirables as the Middle Eastern immigrants in our midst.

Calling attention to the parallels with the demise of Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler is hardly out of line.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff07182003.html


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okcitykid

He is not his father. I didn't vote for his father but respected him. Can't say the same about Bush Jr.


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Angelfire

Yep, mostly true Decius. I still think Bush is just ignorant and he's falling back on hawks like Cheny and Rumsfeld as well as religious nuts like Ashcroft. Hopefully he'll listen to Powell more often.


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Decius

Advisors or not, you don't know what goes on in his head nor should you have any knowledge of why he does why he does.

Actions and public messages are all we have to work with, and that indicates a disshonest, corrupt and moronic leader.


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Angelfire

"Actions and public messages are all we have to work with, and that indicates a disshonest, corrupt and moronic leader."
Yep, just hopee deans gets elected. With a little luck he'll get all our civil rights back.


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What civil rights are you talking about?


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UnderDawg

Whether you think it or not, Bush is a smart man. He graduated from Harvard. Just because he has speech problems does not make you stupid. I know this from experience, here's a story. Atfer taking some tests, Keith, Jake, Ellan, Jared, a few others and I found out that we were considered among the top 99% percentile smartest children in the nation. It's extremely weird, considering we are all from the same town and also born in the south where people expect us to be stupid. We say things like ain't and yall, and yet we are still considered some of the smartes children in America. It's very weird I know. But just because you are smart does not mean you don;t have weaknesses. Such as Keith, he is a math genius and starting taking Algebra when he was in 4th grade. Scary huh? Well, he can't spell worth a crap. Does that mean he is stupid just because he is weak in the area of spelling? No. Another one, take me. On the tests I was considered to be some kind of creative genius, and I use that term lightly mind you, and I should be some sort of writer or architect or such. And well, to be honest, I am horrible at anything that has to do with science except astrology and physics, everything else I just can't seem to learn well.

I know a lot of this may have sounded like bragging but I WAS trying to make a point, believe it or not. Lol.


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He's stupid because he says stupid things.

Speech impediments or not... if you think "Mexican" is a language, you're an idiot.


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UnderDawg

I don't know about that. Hell, I say someone's speaking Mexican all the time. Guess I'm an idiot huh?


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Since you're 15, it can be forgiven.

But if you say that when you're 16, then yes, you will be an idiot.


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Dugbug

I wouldn't say that Bush is stupid, but just because you graduated Harvord doesn't mean anything. I mean he could of gotten the "special treatment" or maybe he was smart. Your really can't say on such a broad term. Also you have to remember that some schools could accept you just because you are faumous.


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UnderDawg

UMm dude, how could he have been famous? His dad wasn't president by the time he was in college...


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Dugbug

Bush attended Yale before Harford(Though at Yale he was a C student which isn't that impressive) that could also have gotten him in. But Bush senior had also served at the House of Rep. for 2 terms and his grandfather had been a senator.(which his dad failed on twice before) And also he wasn't poor.

I'm not saying this is the reason he got in, but it is a possibility.


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