The Anti-Bush Thread

I was just watching Shorties watching shorties and one of the comedians was talking about how Bush got his DUI in '76, and he was like, How fucked up did you have to be to actually get a ticket in '76, like how a cop would even say your shit faced, now you drive straight home, but Bush got the ticked, and then I got to thinkin, he was even rich, son of a politician (and at one time CIA Head). What does a guy like that have to do to get a ticket, was he in Texas too, oh man.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

I guess this is an old discussion...Oh, well...The thing that gets me is all these religious groups who think George is some kind of Christain Enforcer or something...They really believe (atleast the ones I've spoken to) that Bush is doing God's work, that there's this big war brewing between Christianity and Satan-spawned Islam...They don't care that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 911, or with Bin Laden...They don't care that we had no real reason to for going into Iraq except that we wanted to keep kicking somebody's ass just because they look and talk alike...It's depressing because Republicans are capitalists...They are for the guys with the money...and poor people can only hope that some of that wealth falls out of bulging pockets and "trickles down" to them somehow...They give rich people tax breaks and the middle class seemingly lower taxes while carrying most of the tax burden! They wanna' take away any programs that might help the poor get a leg up, and espouse religion so that poor people will keep their minds on the afterlife in Heaven!...They start wars to give struggling Americans something to think about while their trudging through misery!...And what really gets me is that it has somehow become cool to be a Republican...Youn g people who get student grants and loans don't want to be associated with "losers" who they believe will never be successful like they are sure they'll be!...God forbid they ever have an y financial trouble!...Anyway, enough of this rant...nobody's listening anyway...See Ya'!

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o and another thing can u beleive him right after he got elected he was talking abought re-instating the draft!! wth this is bs i mean i already feel bad enough for the hundres of ppl that died in this pointless war but i mean im 15 but itl take like 2 years to pass through congress and well prolly b in iraq for like 15 more years so i mean ill almost b old enough to b almost one of the first ppl drafted this is BULL ill b damned if im going to b drafted i mean its bad enough that we already have ppl in there... i mean i wouldent mind as much if this war had a POINT.. i b honored to fight for my country but not for this bs war

"Look now how mortals are blaming the gods for they say that evils come from us but in fact they themselves have woes beyond their share because of their own follies"

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but i mean im 15 but it'll take like 2 years to pass through congress and we'll probablly be in iraq for like 15 more years so i mean i'll almost be old enough to be one of the first ppl drafted, this is BULL

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

His kids are too busy promoting dad's impecible moral values and showing off his grand parenting skilles by being underage drinkers.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

It's official, there is now a back door draft, they have officially re-enlisted people who are not reservists, not coast guard, not extended terms, but out of the military completely. Enjoy.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Caught the History channel, Eisenhower stated in his farwell address that the greatest threat to democracy is a military/industry group. Seems Kennedy had the same opinion which is interesting because it went on about the CIA/Cuban exiles attack at the Bay of Pigs.
Seems he (Kennedy) would not give the OK for air support of the planned invasion, he didn't trust the CIA intelligence. Bush didn't seem to learn from those who preceeded him in office of president.
Ever stop to wonder who really runs this country?

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

If you are thinking that the CIA runs the country think again, ya, the CIA is a possible instrument of evil, but that instrument does the governments bidding.

Iraq WMD - Independent Commission or White House Cover Up?
by Kurt Nimmo

published by Another Day in the Empire

Iraq WMD - Independent Commission or White House Cover Up?

Finally, somebody is telling the truth. In an article likely to be overlooked and generally ignored, SanLuisObisop.com has pointed out the obvious: "What went wrong with intelligence on Iraq will never be known unless the inquiry proposed by President Bush examines secret intelligence efforts led by Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon hawks, current and former U.S officials said Monday."

"The officials said they feared that Bush, gearing up his fight for re-election, would try to limit the inquiry's scope to the CIA and other agencies, and ignore the key role the administration's own internal intelligence efforts played in making the case for war."

Blame Cheney, not Bush. Sacrifice Cheney. As MSNBC's Jeanette Walls reported late last month, Cheney may be scrubbed, allowed to retire to his ill-gained opulence, and the 9/11 coverup artist and New York Generalissimo Rudy Giuliani will take his place. The Bushites are dissing this rumor. Rudy's not rabidly right-wing enough for them. "Let's think about this," a "senior Bush official" told the New York Daily News. "The president is going to shore up his conservative base by dumping a guy who's wildly popular with the base and replacing him with a guy who's pro-choice, a loose cannon and has no foreign policy experience?"

Maybe, maybe not.

It depends if Cheney needs to be sacrificed the same way the CIA will be sacrificed over "bad intelligence," known to us common folk as lies. There's only one thing on the Bush radar screen at this point -- re-election. That's why the Bush whitewash "independent" commission on "bad intelligence" is being hastily slapped together. It's time to save Bush from the irresponsibility of David Kay telling the truth.

Not only is Cheney a risk to the Bushites, but also for his former corporation, Halliburton. "Since [Cheney's] nomination as vice president," the company said in a recent SEC filing, "Halliburton has been and continues to be the focus of allegations, some of which appear to be made for political reasons by political adversaries of the vice president and the current Bush administration. We expect that this focus and these allegations will continue and possibly intensify as the 2004 elections draw nearer."

"Bush wants to get this out of the headlines and into a commission that won't say anything until he's reelected," congressional aide told Jim Lobe. "This is damage control."

Question is, will dissenting CIA and State Department voices, such as those coming from Melvin Goodman, Greg Thielmann, and Vincent Cannistraro -- all who say Cheney leaned on the CIA to produce bogus "evidence" against Saddam, and when this didn't work out as planned created the OSP -- be allowed to tell their side of the story before Bush's rigged committee?

Fat chance.

"The White House was never searching for the truth; it was searching for arguments to make the case for war," Thielmann told Lobe. "They were searching for evidence to support the conclusions they had already reached."


Kurt Nimmo is a photographer, artist, and social commentator based in Las Cruces, New Mexico. His latest book, Another Day in the Empire is available through Dandelion books.

I copied this because of Hardball tonight where Chris Mathews was talking to one of the many apparent people leaving the CIA and now telling of this type of situation of there being no case for war by their own research, what I'm not sure of yet is exactly who gave and why and from where the previous intelligence about the WMD's that was so instrumental, but apparently also so flawed. How was it so bad?

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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I've heard its common for cabinet changes after a presidential re-election, but what is a high number or resignations? Bush is apparently at 6 so far, with more still possible.

Is it possible that Bush had a cabinet he could trust and who would be yes men but still run things, where as now they are all puppets of Bush? Super yes men and women?

I don't claim to know, but I am curious and that's why I'm asking.

I've heard some things that made it sound like Powell is leaving because Bush won't allow diplomacy to be much if any part of his plans, and that he would have stayed had Bush been more open to it, that he among a very select few who told Bush that Iraq would become a quagmire, as they say it apparently has, and so he is replaced by a better yes woman.

Could be bullshit, could be spot on. Wish I knew.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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Powell is leaving because Bush won't allow diplomacy

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

I watched the events on his leaving, most commonly extented that at the offering of the position, Powell made it clear he would do so for the first term of bush presidency.

I'm not sure what you were saying here, and who are the commentators you were referring to?

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Not really sure I sometimes turn on the boob tube while I am working on the computer. Generally tuned into stations covering the news, some Senate & other congressional activities ,commentaries, etc.
I don't give it a lot of attention unless something catches my attention. They seemed to be down playing his leaving by impling that he had agreed to serve only during bush's first term.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

This is a site with a link to the film Hijacking Catastrophe

For those of you who can't stomache Micheal Moore any more and or for those not willing or able to take seriously too dramatic of theories on what occured on 9/11, then this is the documentary for you.

This will hopefully answer most questions about why we are in Iraq and what it all means for the near future. Quite frankly, some other questions not covered here so far have only been answered by either official denial, claims of ignorance, the invoking of national security,or very evidentially substantial conspiracy theories of which this particular document only help support with its own evidence but without even needing to go into that because of the focused point and its individual amount of overwhelming importance.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

For Fox lovers everywhere, this came from what appears to be a satire website. But oh how true it sounds.

Iraqi Insurgents Love Fox News, Survey Reveals
by Jake Novak

A recent Nielsen survey of viewing trends among Iraqi terrorists and insurgents shows more of them tune in to the conservative Fox News Channel than CNN (another popular U.S. news network) or Al Jazeera (an Iraqi news station) combined.

"In the key 15-25 year old would-be suicide bomber/terrorist demo, Fox just blows everyone away...no pun intended," said Nielsen said Susan D. Whiting, president and CEO of Nielsen Media Research.

"Getting my guys to wake up early in the morning and do a suicide bombing isn't as easy as it looks...sometimes they're just not motivated. But then the satellite feed comes in from Fox News, and I get motivation all over the place," said Shiite insurgent leader Mohammed al Sadr. "I mean, you can't watch that network for more than two minutes before they're calling my people 'thugs', 'blood-thirsty', and 'cowards'."

"You can't beat that for stirring the cauldron of hate, my friend," he added.

Al Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi also had high praise for Fox.

"I love how that Bill O'Reilly gestures to cut off a guest's mic when he disagrees with him! To tell you the truth that's exactly how we do most of our beheadings... but we're a little nicer," Zarqawi said. "We don't miss 'The O'Reilly Factor' for anything."

"Don't let this get out, but if Americans are looking to stay safe in Iraq, going out during his show is a good idea; you can't tear us away from the tube for the whole hour," Zarqawi added.

Other terror ringleaders, however, were less willing to praise Fox News than they were critical of the competition.

"We try watching CNN once in a while, but then that Aaron Brown comes on with that ridiculous phony hair or Daryn Kagen gets nailed by the Howard Stern phony phone callers, and all my guys want to do is laugh and enjoy life," said former Ba'ath party leader Ezzat Ibrahim, "and that's not exactly conducive to the whole suicide bombing thing, you know."

Al Sadr added another criticism.

"CNN's whole, 'let's try to be fair and sort out the facts first' approach is so lame," he said. "No wonder they're getting their asses kicked in the ratings."

Still, on the whole, most insurgents focus on their love of Fox News, evidenced by comments from some "on-the-street" interviews conducted by Nielsen surveyors.

"I hear a lot of people saying, 'Oh, suicide bombers are cowards, blah blah,' you know? But the truth is, it's hard to work up that much blind faith in your cause to go through with it," said one insurgent. "That's why Fox News is such a great thing. I watch their refusal to acknowledge reasoning and constant disregard to report news that may portray my people in anything but the worst light, and it just gives me that special murderous rage that I need."

"Fox News makes it easy to forget that not all Americans are thick-headed idiots," said another insurgent. "That really helps out with any guilt I might feel about attacking the U.S. Army over here."

In a similar statement, another Iraqi explained, "What I like to do is imagine Chris Matthews' face on the soldiers' faces. I know he's not on the Fox network, but he really should be."

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

He's an interesting interview with an Iraqi insurgent.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1302639,00.ht
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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"