The Anti-Bush Thread - Page 21

firstright89:

the problem is- every politician lies. It is their job, unfortunately. Once lying is established, trust in a country leader(if not the world leader), is lost.

no really. but hey its not like it gonna change honestly. i wanna start a revolution but it cant be violent cause it wont work (ive seriously thought this out) USA just will eventually die out (not anytime soon unless something otherworldly happens.)let god sort them out is my theory but it doesnt work that way

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the problem is- every politician lies. It is their job, unfortunately. Once lying is established, trust in a country leader(if not the world leader), is lost.

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I know what you mean but one president hadn't lied about his thoughts on important issues, Abraham Lincoln. Okay it is off topic. But he had an opinion that was unpopular, "That slavery was wrong." Only 40% of the nation voted for him. Other politicans lie before becoming president. The few truthful are the few great.

Messages posted between 8/25 and 9/26 disappeared. Can anybody tell me why? Or is it only applied on my computer?

Ok we need to calm down and stop misunderestimating Bush's power.

i dontt hink catnip posts here anymore.. at least not regularly but i will sya that while ABE did sign the law to abolish slavery, he was an owner of slaves himself.

I could be wrong about this but I'm pretty sure that Abraham Lincoln didn't own slaves. He was born in Virginia, but his family moved to Illinois to get away from slavery. He had a very difficult time growing up and his family was hard pressed for funds. That doesn't sound like slave owner's to me. Anyway don't take my word for it...

http://sc94.ameslab.gov/TOUR/alincoln.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/al16.html

Oh yeah and keep up the anti-bush sentiments. I whole-heartedly agree.

People, ever wondered how much the Iraqi war is costing? Check this out:
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=18
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and you Americans are paying for it. You can check out how much your community is paying.

depressing isn't it?!

You could all sit around here and complain about your governemnt or country, and /or its leaders...or for some of you the leaders of a country of which you are not a friggin citizen. Or you could get off your butts and do something like encourage your friends here on this forum to go to pro-"whatever rallies" for your beliefs, or lobby congress and the president through a mail campaign...or for those of you with the intestinal fortitude...join a branch of the armed forces and fight for what you believe in. I won't say you are unpatriotic...I fight for the very right of you folks to bicker and copmplain on this site...but don't just speak ACT!!!! that is what true freedom is...action on that which we believe. Thats what differs us from the rest of the world...we can not only speak our minds and offer suggestions of change. We can be that instrument of change as well.

And to those of Australian shores...what happened to the gumption your countrymen displayed during WWII? What happened to the fighting spirit that was a large part of your culture for the very beginnings of civilization on your Island?
I wonder what you folks would do if Australia underwent the kind of terrorism that NYC endured...would you fold to the terrorists? Or would you call their bluff and take them by the nape of the neck and toss them, like refuse, into oblivion....?

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And to those of Australian shores...what happened to the gumption your countrymen displayed during WWII? What happened to the fighting spirit that was a large part of your culture for the very beginnings of civilization on your Island?
I wonder what you folks would do if Australia underwent the kind of terrorism that NYC endured...would you fold to the terrorists? Or would you call their bluff and take them by the nape of the neck and toss them, like refuse, into oblivion....?

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Wow this ^ is a passionate one. Haha, wot do you mean wot happened to the fighting spirit! The civilization of our island predates any other human civilization mate...dating back to 60,000 years. The so called 'fighting spirit' 60,000 years ago wasn't part of our culture. What your refering to is the Brits, who only migrated to Australia just over 200yrs ago.

If Australia underwent terrorism similar to september 911, our government's response would be similar... unfortunately. The Howard government is with American forces. Which is incredibly sad and unfortunate. Make love not war.

If you knew what I was refering to, then why did you feel it necessary to "correct" me? I assumed that you were one of the "Brits" you spoke of so eloquently, and therefore was discussing the origins of your people. If you are of indigenous heritage then I apologize. That out of the way...

"Make love not War." Just as I thought...A hippy who traveled forward in time to visit a time when things are a little more complicated than free love, marijuana, and the countryside of upstate New York.

And if your president stands with ours, then at least you know you will be safe from terrorists...until you vote in some whiny appeaser to take Mr. Howard's place. Enjoy the freedom your military provides for you...it won't last long with your attitude.

You don't have to kill everyone...that is not the goal of the US...you do, however, need to kill or imprison all those who kill, mame, or terrorize innocent people of all nations. I would think your precious UN would want to accomplish something like that. Seems like a goal that would be on their agenda...like stopping world hunger, halting genocide in portions of Africa, or taking action against a "leader" testing chemical weapons on his own people.

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you do, however, need to kill or imprison all those who kill, mame, or terrorize innocent people of all nations.

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Is Mr. Bush and Cheney going to prison?

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If you knew what I was refering to, then why did you feel it necessary to "correct" me?

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I never knew you didn't know, I presumed you didn't know.

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And if your president stands with ours, then at least you know you will be safe from terrorists...until you vote in some whiny appeaser to take Mr. Howard's place. Enjoy the freedom your military provides for you...it won't last long with your attitude.

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We have no president, we have a Prime Minister. Supporting war against Iraq isn't going to ensure security from Terrorists. The Western world going to war to attempt fighting terrorism, isn't going to achieve freedom. Its promoted more insecurity and fear. The killing of innocent people by armies will only give terrorists a valid reason for retaliation, ie- 911.

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You don't have to kill everyone...that is not the goal of the US...you do, however, need to kill or imprison all those who kill, mame, or terrorize innocent people of all nations.

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And attempting to target a single suspected 'terrorist' then subsequently kill tens of thousands of innocent Iraqs on the way. That really makes sense....not.

What of the future? Life after the Iraq war will never be the same

Expect the world-wide love-hate relationship with America to become even more polarised, on the one hand hungrily devouring American media culture, on the other hand increasingly bitter and resentful at American power and lack of sensitivity to how the rest of the world works.

Expect new generations of terrorists to take courage and exact 'revenge', with the aim of 'wounding American pride and arrogance'. Every one of them will tell you they are fighting for a higher moral cause.

Expect America to continue to feel deeply hurt, increasingly isolated and angry, the target of frequent terror attacks and general animosity in many places, acting forcefully around the world wherever it feels national interests dictate, and withdrawing to lick its wounds when it does not.

Expect America to be increasingly hostile to the idea of submitting in any respect whatsoever to the will of the global majority, whether on the environment, trade agreements or any other matter, and to be in even less mood to compromise than pre-Iraq War. Expect the US at the same time to make intensive diplomatic efforts to try to win back lost friends, but with ever-deepening suspicion of UN controls, inefficiency, corruption and influence.

In contrast, expect almost the entire rest of the world to invest intensively in the UN as the sole vehicle for solving complex international issues, in a quest to create a more sustainable and peaceful future.

Expect the EU to forge ahead with renewed energy to create structures to balance US power economically and militarily. But the EU will be severely restrained by ongoing internal conflicts, which will be made worse by every new country joining, as well as by unfolding events. Expect the UK to be frozen out of significant decisions by France and Germany who will seize every chance to dominate the future of the EU together, and to humiliate the US. Expect UK doubts to grow about whether it will ever sit comfortably within a Franco-German led federation of EU states. Expect France and Germany to be increasingly worried about rapid enlargement, and dilution of their power by pro-US nations with shaky economies, arguing passionately that the world will be a better place if there is a significant European counter-balance to the US.

Expect several non-European nations to embark on dangerous military adventures, arguing that the US has set a new model for them to copy: 'legally' invading other countries when they could possibly be a future threat. India and Pakistan, North and South Korea and so on. These local wars could produce huge problems for the future stability of the world. Expect concerns about this to lead to calls for stronger structures and processes within the UN.
http://www.globalchange.com/iraqwar.htm