The Anti-Bush Thread

How can anybody not like Dylan?

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

"I'm with you on that one, OK! Actually, though, a lot of people even in my generation (Dylan's) did not like his voice. They liked the message and the messenger but not his voice. "

Exactly, I didn't say I don't like Dylan, And he does have one or two that actually sound good, but generally he kinda sounds like shit to me, sound wise, but again tends to put out a refreshing message.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

lol, ok, dylan had a shitty voice, but what i meant by musical talent is he could write a song that made you want to listen to it, despite the lyrics (and the voice). i think if you're a protest singer, lyrics are about the most important thing that you have, but you ought to be clever with them and at the same time put them into songs that sound good regardless of what the words are. it's good to have a message, but if you're a musician you're under a certain obligation first and foremost to create good music. what i liked most about dylan was he was sort of poetic about his lyrics--a lot of it was open to interpretation, and a lot of his metaphors sort of hit you--bright eyes, in my opinion, doesn't have that. he basically just goes up and sings "bush sucks, i hate bush, bla bla bla" you get the point. i mean, if all you care about is the message, why not just read an essay or something?

update: ok, i read a few lyrics from bright eyes songs that i've never heard and they're not too bad. go figure that his worst stuff is what gets played most often on the talk shows.

"You are reading this."
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Bush was elected not by people but inside group (3) (11/26)

Bush sold his soul to devil

The fraud in 2004 election was vast and wide spread. And almost all of them favored Bush and GOP. It was a well planed rig. No other group then intelligence could carry out such an operation.

As a matter of fact, there might have been a long history to manipulate election. Only at that time it was covert and in small scale. It became evident in 2000 election when inside group create a suspending case in Florida. When Clinton left White House, he left for us a historical budget surplus. Demo did good in economy. There was no reason for people to change regime.

But good economy was not the interest of D.O.J.. What they needed was an expanding police power. For that power they had created Oklahoma bombing. They failed to pass a bill similar to Patriot Act after the Oklahoma bombing. They prepared for a bigger one - 9/11. But needed someone to carry it out.

That was why there was a pending case in Florida. The situation gave inside group a base to negotiate a deal with candidate. The merchandise was a terror attack and war, the payment was the seat of Presidency. There was a month long process for the negotiation. Bush won the deal at last. He sold his soul to the devil. He promised to activate Iraq war if he became President. He got it.

In the book "The Price of Loyalty" written by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill which provided about 19,000 pages of documents. It revealed Bush determined to go to war in Iraq even before the 9/11 attack.

That was why we saw Bush behaved so unusual after 9/11.

Re: "On the evening of Sept. 12, 2001, according to a newly published memoir, President Bush wandered alone around the Situation Room in a White House emptied by the previous day's calamitous events. Spotting Richard A. Clarke, his counterterrorism coordinator, Bush pulled him and a small group of aides into the dark paneled room.

"Go back over everything, everything," Bush said, according to Clarke's account. "See if Saddam did this."

"But Mr. President, al Qaeda did this," Clarke replied.

"I know, I know, but . . . see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred."

Reminded that the CIA, FBI and White House staffs had sought and found no such link before, Clarke said, Bush spoke "testily." As he left the room, Bush said a third time, "Look into Iraq, Saddam."

At last, Bush using a fake "WMD" to start the Iraq war. He fulfiled the deal and proved he is a loyal puppet. That was probably why he was chosen again in election 2004.

true that, many books cover the topic of bush and his plans before 9/11. most generals, advisors,and people in power i our government actually created a document and sent it to Clinton during his years calling for the invasion of iraq, and other middle east countries, henry kissenger covers a lot of that in one of his new books...

"to understand life is to live outside it"

Here in Oklahoma, a lot of us still believe that there was more to that bombing then we are being told. But we don't know what to believe. it is hard to believe that our governement was involved in murdering us, but there were strange unexplained things. For instance - Why did Terry Nicholes and Mcvie get the highest paid lawyers to represent them. Took a big chunk out of our state budget just to prosecute them.

Terry is claiming that other people were involved and nobody is looking into it.

Anyways - I'm leaning more and more twords this conspiracy stuff.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

me too, oklahomans like us went through a lot in that bombing, I still remember where i was from it, and the waste of money to prosecute, which i never understood because they seemed to not investigate anything, still

"to understand life is to live outside it"

Dylan did have a terrible voice, so did Harry Chapin. So does Crash Test Dummy.

I like all three of them. I must like terrible voices.

But all three of them sing about life, politics and society. For them it was not just entertainment.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

BULLSHIT

"Don't sweat the petty things, don't pet the sweaty things."

Ohio 2004 plays the same role of Florida in 2000

Bush was elected not by people but inside group (4) (12/7)

Tasted the sweet of advantage of a pending competition, Inside group established another one in election 2004. It is in Ohio.

The media created a situation that the country was divided by red and blue. And the result of election depended on a few undecided states. It was a psychological gimmick. They manipulate the public to focus on a few states but neglect the others. Did the nation real vote red and blue as they said? Not necessarily. It only made the rigging work easier for Feds. It made covert job easier in fixed states because people believe it was colored by red and blue already. Feds could concentrate their resource in the key state.

The key state was Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Feds created a situation that the output of the key state decided the result of US election.

This year people found serious election fraud in Florida and Ohio. Florida was the key state in 2000, but not the planned one this year. The manipulation would be too obvious if Feds set the same state in controversial focus for consecutive two elections.

It was because people were alarmed by election 2000 so they had a tight observation on Florida. They found unusual phenomenon. But the suspicion was eliminated quickly by Feds. Florida is not in their plan this year. It is Ohio.

Then we can see vote controversy in Ohio. Media reported vote challenges in Ohio continue. Jassie Jackson; third party candidates, Democrats.... request a re-count. All these build up a pressure on Bush. It is a warning to him, "if you do not obey, then anytime we can overturn the result of election."

What is the ransom D.O.J. wants this time? Likely the control of the whole intelligence force of USA. D.O.J. not only control FBI, DEA, they want to control CIA too. And with it the fat budget of military intelligence.

The bill of re-organization of intelligence has been blocked in House. Bush worked hard, even pushed his GOP colleagues to pass it. Once it is passed, Americans will face a terrible intelligence monster. And you can expect the freedom and civil right are threatened.

Feds build up a pending case in election. (Though Ohio is more covert one than Florida of 2000) At the purpose to squeeze most from candidate. Americans are naive to think they have a democratic system. Their mind, as well as the election, are manipulated by Inside Group through media and intelligence.

Years ago I would have laughed at you, but now, I believe you.

Because this disturbes me. Kerry was apart of the deception. I believe that now more than ever. Because even now he won't mention the Downing Street Memos, even after he promised he would.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Cover up rigging election (12/17)
Bush was elected not by people but inside group (5)

On 11/28 there was an article in San Jose Mercury News to justify the Florida 2004 election.

"New vote count confirms Bush's north Florida win"

"How did the Republicans win so heavily in counties stocked with Democrats?

Last week, the Miami Herald went to see for itself whether Bush's steamroll through north Florida was legitimate. Picking three counties that fit the conspiracy-theory profile - staunchly Democratic by registration, whoppingly GOP by voting - two reporters counted more than 17,000 ballots over three days.

The conclusion: No conspiracy."

The whole story is like this. Teacher accused student cheating in final exam that he copied the answer from the book. A judge was assigned for the case. He came checking the exam paper. and found the answer was right. The conclusion: No cheating.

The judge only repeated what the teacher had done - Found the answer was all right. He didn't check the accusation that the answer was a copied one. He didn't answer the question. How did the student who had no knowledge of the content of test could have a perfect exam result.

Some media said because it was Bush's morale value which moved voters.

What made people register as a Demo or Rep? Their moral value. People generally vote to their morale value in election if there is nothing particularly happened. What made them switch vote to the candidate of the other party? When the party he registered to did some thing disappointed him. e.g. if the candidate did bad in economy which hurt voter's pocket, then they switched to the other one. That's not for moral value because otherwise he wouldn't register as a Demo or Rep.

But what good has Bush done in his first term? Economy is bad. Civil right eroded. The war is opposed by most people. People lost so much in his administration. There is strong reason to have a regime change. .

Media justify Bush's victory by moral value. That's a gimmick. Moral value is why people registered to a party. If people voted on moral value, Bush would have lost heavily in Florida. . "How did the Republicans win so heavily in counties stocked with Democrats?"

The answer is simple. Intelligence switched the votes to their favor. This is how insider group manipulate American election. They steal it by intelligence covert job. (Those who controlled intelligence, they controlled election office) And make people believe the result is reasonable by media propaganda. Even if the result contradicts strongly to the reality.

I Believe you are correct. That's when I went full force on my blog posting everything I could find on the election.

They had proof. They demononstrated how someone could go into a voter booth, punch certain keys in a certain order, and it would flips a couple thousand votes the other way. They had a programer willing to testify, witnesses willing to testify that they voted for Kerry and Bush appeared.

How about the exit polls that showed Kerry won and then the vote showed Bush one. Though that had never happened before, everyone agreed it was a fluke. There was even a congressional investigation
http://theinsideout.us/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf

All we needed was one Senator to stand up, one did, but Kerry refused to unconceed. That ass hole. All the money people sent him. Some went without a meal just so they could send him five dollars. And he won't answer my email or send me a newsletter. I read an article in Newsweek that he didn't even select cabnet members, as if he knew he was going to loose. I always wondered what he wispered in Mr. Bush's ear at the first debate, that made Mr. Bush smile.

There is a group currently sueing, the judge says the case will be heard. They claim that explosives went off seconds after the second plane hit, making the destruction of the twin towers worse then it really would have been. They cliam they have proof, the feds disclame it saying it was jet fuel.

And the Oklahoma City bombing, there are still unanswered questions about that. Nichols claimed that there were other people involved, now he's refusing to testify to that fact - what made him change his mind?

I believe our government is very crooked. If if swims like a fish, looks like a fish and smells like a fish, it's a fish, even if the government tells you its a bird.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Zogby Poll: 42% Would Support Impeachment Proceedings Against Bush

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

42 percent is not good enough. I bet the number within the ranks of those who served are much higher. Unfortunatly we can't ask those who are currently serving. Most of them won't bad mouth there Commander In Chief, understandadly.

Obviously by the survey, many are not educated on the issues. With the support of the media, most American's are focused on entertainment.

Oh well, I'll just keep on blogging.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."