U.S. Cover-Up? What do you think?

U.S. Cover-Up? What do you think? [+ favourites]

I read an article on September 7th of this year in the Sacramento Bee (newspaper) on "Four widows on a quest for truth about 9/11" it states that in a meeting at the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building with FBI director Robert Mueller III, "...four planes that the government had been forwarned could be used as weapons-even bombs-but chose to ignore."

One of the widows, Kristen Breitweiser asked Mueller "I don't understand, with all the warnings about the possibilities of al-Qaida using planes as weapons, and the Phoenix memo from one of your own agents warning that Osama bin Laden was sending operatives to this country for flight school training, why didn't you check out flight schools before September 11th?"

To which he answers "Do you know how many flight schools there are in the U.S.? Thousands. We couldn't have investigated them all and found these few guys."

And then she rebuttles "Wait, you just told me there were too many flight schools and that prohibited you from investigating them before 9/11, how is it that after a few hours after the attacks, the nation is brought to its knees, and miraculously FBI agents showed up at Embry Riddle flight school in Florida where some of the terrorists trained?"

"We got lucky" was the reply.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

Flaky... I wouldn't dwell on this too much. Given the CIA's incompetence in the past, it wouldn't be too surprising for them to simply do a lazy job until something (like 9/11) makes them motivated to get it done right.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Bullshit.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

Its easy to say that. Before 9/11 there was little reason to believe it was going to happen (and on that scale). There was no major antiterrorism or the need to go all the way against it. That's why checking it out wasn't seen as necesary.
After 4000 americans died obviously there was no question of not doing it.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Interesting quotes:

http://www.angelfire.com/linux/pearly/htmls/bush-911.html

DumbTeen:

Terrorist attacks, specifically by Al Qaida were happening in 2000, against Israelis and Americans. There is no logical reason why the CIA should have been "lazy". Read this article:

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/010502/2001050229.html

Also do a search for Patterns of Global Terrorism . This is an anual report released by the US Counterterrorism department outlining terrorist activities throughout the year.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

this is certainly a difficult situation we (americans) have put ourselves in. there is overwhelming evidence that something "major" was going to happen much before 9/11. i for one have always found myself as one of the "black helicopter" types... so naturally i think there is some sort of cover up to all of this... but i also ask myself what it would have been like had we been doing heavy investigating prior to 9/11... what if nothing DID happen? we would be getting even more flack from other countries than we are now... we started investigating Iraq more heavily after 9/11... why? because we had reason to believe they pose(d) a threat to our nation... and were not about to let something even worse happen to our country... still we havent found substantial evidence of Iraq being a threat and because of this are being looked down upon by the rest of the world... imagine if we had also been "investigating" Afghanistan prior to 9/11 and then nothing happend... there is no excuse for us not to be monitoring our own country however...

"UNIX is an operating system, OS/2 is half an operating system, Windows is a shell, and DOS is a boot partition virus. ~Peter H. Coffin"
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I think slowing down jets aimed to intercept planes being used as weapons at the twin towers is very different than invading Iraq.

One is a defensive measure the other is an offensive one.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

*Nods head to agree with Decius*
A very defensive move. The problem is, if we didn't "think" that something was gonna happen before 9/11, but there was rumors and allegations etc, etc, then why did we invade Iraq pre-emptively? Without evidence, without due cause, why?

I think its good to be the "Black Helicopter" type, because, at the very least you are listening.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

heh, yea you guys are right.. i just went on a bit of a rant there, my apologies. i should just stick to the Philosphy threads, politics gives me a headache anyway... probably because im ignorant to a lot of what goes on in that area

PS- Big Brother is watching

"UNIX is an operating system, OS/2 is half an operating system, Windows is a shell, and DOS is a boot partition virus. ~Peter H. Coffin"

Politics and philosophy go hand in hand, although in opposite directions if you ask me.

The more enlightened the individual, the more he digresses from a political way of thinking and spots the incredible fallacies in the current way of life.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"A very defensive move. The problem is, if we didn't "think" that something was gonna happen before 9/11, but there was rumors and allegations etc, etc, then why did we invade Iraq pre-emptively? Without evidence, without due cause, why?"
Irak was invaded baselesly. The US public gobbeled up lies and misinformation from Bush.
Though I can believe him to be a sleazy politician, I do not believe he would cold heartedly (or the dozens of other people who must have "known" about 9/11) let 4000 Americans die.
The evidence presented is circumstantial, and yes, high ranking people are accusing him, but there are political reasons rather to explain those,

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Maybe, but what I don't put past him is the ability to let them die in order to get what he wanted ever since his dad failed at it: WAR on Iraq

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

His dad didn't fail IMO, he followed the UN's orders (quite good)
Something which the present president seems to have trouble doing,

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Any war that doesn't have to do with protecting our own soil, is a failure IMO. But most people say that he was going there to "finish what his dad started, and never finished" that is where the failure comment came from.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

"Any war that doesn't have to do with protecting our own soil, is a failure IMO."
Well it may be a "bad" war, but not a failure.
And in the long run, Irak could protect US soil. If a solid democracy is in place that spreads to the rest of the ME, that would be a big gain for the free world.
So by your standards of "success" we really don't know whether is was one yet.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"