Questioning Reality: Are we for "Real"?

In Lakota Traditions is a Fable of 4 brothers (the 4 winds or directions) who set forth to establish the directions. to this end they sit in a round hut and watch the shadows as the sun journeys across the sky.
This is of course the principle of the sun dial, so the sun & the shadows establishes the Northern direction (1st) from which the other directions are set.
Of course, the lenth (longest) shadows are in winter & the shortest are in summer so it also establishes the 4 seasons.
As in science, these traditions are based upon points & circles so all particles revolve around their center & all centers have forces which form fields which extend outward. But these fields come together when they pass through their center.
In Lakota Traditions, the Great Mysterious is the center of all things as it establishes their directions & all things are manifested by the Great Mysterious. Take heart & be at peace, all things are as they need to be.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

this is a question i have to admit i can not even begin to answer.....first.....define "real"

"we are the music makers, and we, are the dreamers of dreams"

Wow!
There are a few perspectives here! It is so fascinating to see how many facets of reality exist, and what a limited number of them each of us can see... Oh... did I say reality? (Heh, heh)
Perhaps my viewpoint is something akin to:
"We are all viewing reality from different angles, and claiming that our own angle is the one TRUE reality."
There is a certain truth to that concept, because each of our unique realities are determined only by that which affects us, be it directly or indirectly. To question whether or not each of our perceptions are real would be to infer that someone or something else is defining reality. So perhaps, by asking if we are real, each of us is speculating that someone/thing else IS defining reality, and we are therefore trying to include that someone/thing into our OWN perception of reality... Does this not, however, simply expand our perception and give us something else with which to claim that our own unique view is the REAL one?

"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

Ya, I think I get what yo mean?

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There is a certain truth to that concept, because each of our unique realities are determined only by that which affects us, be it directly or indirectly.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
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Ask yourself, is reality but only something conceived by the mind by what you know, which everyone has an opinion to of course, so is it that reality is not one simple thing? And when you think of someone own perspective of it and think of yours, reality is something just thought by the mind (does this seem confusing)

"I am samrt because I know I am dumb"

eyestien: your questioning refers to the reality exists in the mind concept.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

what is your thought about it, is there something wrong

"I am samrt because I know I am dumb"

eyestein: I suggest you read the other threads that discuss reality.
This is how I perceive reality and existence:
The only way we can reason reality or existence is through our own mind. The world "out there", external reality, is a shared universe of common experience. It is the lowest common denominator of all our experience. We take it for granted and it supplies us with a common field of action. That is all it is. Your realm of personal "mind" is another sort of universe. You experience it every second 24/7. From your inner mind comes all meaning about everything in the "outer" universe. You may be influenced by the external world of common experience, but this inner universe exists, is very real, and is ultimately of more value than anything "out there". Why? Because what happens "out there" depends totally on what you do or what occurs with your own mind. Your personal universe is the only thing able of deciding value. What you perceive from the 'outer' universe is received and detected in your 'inner' reality.

In the end, what you end up believing "in" or "about" is basically an action of your own mind to attach meaning and significance to something. I think therefore I am.

"The summit is just a halfway point"
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The world "out there", external reality, is a shared universe of common experience. It is the lowest common denominator of all our experience. We take it for granted and it supplies us with a common field of action.

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Do Dogs Think?
Owners assume their pet's brain works like their own. That's a big mistake.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2127419/?GT1=7125
"Everybody is probably wrong," was his blunt comeback. "It's 'theory of mind.' This is what often happens when humans assume that dogs think the way we do."
His analysis: "Being angry at the human and behaving punitively—that's not a thought sequence even remotely possible, given a dog's brain. The likely scenario is that the dog is simply frightened." When Heather was home, she was there to explain and enforce the rules. With her gone, the dog literally didn't know how to behave. The dog should have been acclimatised to a crate or room and confined more, not less, until she got used to her new independence.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

but you can't really say everyone is wrong, it's that reality has no limits, someone can be beautiful but someone might disagree, reality is only an opinion that will only seem true to the person that makes that opinion, so we are all right by are own points of views, so the question is
( is reality real)

"I am samrt because I know I am dumb"

Would we debate our own existence? I think therefore I exist>
reality is a conception of our mental capacity? Thus we exist therefore existence has reason > reality is real.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

I see myself as only made by judgment, someone says I'm ugly, it goes through my mind and I would think of my self by what someone thinks. but if you take the judgment away, I would not who I am, thats why I ask such questionsn to find out who I Am for myself, so reality is something I do not understand

"I am samrt because I know I am dumb"

So what goes through the head? I am ugly? TO WHOM?

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Mercie says: it looks like CIRQUE.IS it a photo of yours?
Clay says:yes
Mercie says:beautiful.
Clay says:hard to believe that it is hand crafted leather
Mercie says:hand crafted beauty,whatever the medium.
Clay saysoes the beauty come from the form (material) or from the form (shape) given by the artist who formed it?
Mercie says:from the center.
Clay says:from the center, the created as well as the creator flows.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

not saying i still live that life but I was just bring about a point from my knowledge that some people see themselves through others living the reality of others(do you see my point)

"I am samrt because I know I am dumb"

the common consensus of opinions, the subjective reality of the fictional norm of social interactions, concepts which we define our reality?
Life is in the living, the experiences which forms the interactions. How we choose to deal (react) to those interactions is what we choose?

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."