The Logical VS The Faithful

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The Faithful
People who are faithful believe in what they believe with the conviction that it is the truth, and any other statements spawned after this belief can contain logic (or not). The Bible, for example, serves as a doctrine for the truth, and all other logical paths are determined from that truth. In essence, once an undeniable faith in the bible exists, everything will make sense to the faithful.

The peace in this form of thinking is that one finds satisfaction in their beliefs, completely. Once a third party truth is assumed to be true, an undeniable peace comes from within for it is wonderful to know the truth. Also, the more well designed this third party truth is, the more re-inforced it is in every day life, thereby strenghtening not only its beliefs, but also a love and a wonderful thanks for the fact that the truth has now been attained.

To know the truth is a blessing, and the peace derived from truly believing this truth is what most "Faithful" individuals seek and attain.

There is mainly one way that an individual becomes faithful: The person must have very little conviction in anything else, but also have a dire need to know the truth. This happens during childhood and also during trials and tribulations that are very emotionally devastating. From these moments it is favourable to grasp a permanent source of hope, and in this case that source is the truth assumed to be an organized religion.

The Logical
Specifically, the logical are people that choose to only believe what is the most likely assumption. Although the true truth can never be truly known in perfectly logical manner, "likely" assumptions can be made to provide a group of doctrines by which to live by.

What differentiates the Logical from the Faithful isn't a lack of faith or logic in either party. It is more specifically a difference at the base of all thoughts, logical or faithful. The difference is that the Logical do not claim to know the truth because the truth can never be known. All that can be known is what is assumed to be the best choice, but there is always doubt and the possiblity of fallacy in these beliefs. This is why a Logical individual will never have the same strength in their spiritual convictions that a Faithful individual will.

In essence, a Logical person is forever in flux. Nothing can be disregarded and very little can be assumed to be 100% true. This yields a highly aware and intelligent individual, but also an individual that will necessarily be more unhappy and less at peace with any question or resolution in life.

The results of this unhappyness can vary from individual to individual. Many of the Faithful were once the Logical but due to necessity adopted the beliefs they did which aided them in overcoming obstacles in their lives that seemed unpassable. All Logical individuals will weaken throughout their lives, and for some of them, these moments become horrifically hopeless.

A comparison...
The Logical will never understand the Faithful, and the Faithful will somewhat understand the Logical. Without an unquestioned belief in a core set of rules and values, a Logical person will find it extremely difficult (almost impossible) to make the assumptions the Faithful will. Any logical statement a Faithful person states will have at its base premises these unquestioned beliefs, specifically from a book such as the bible. Since the Logical do not believe these premises, a logical discussion will eventually always digress to these premises, and the discussion will innevitably degrade to a debate of why one should believe in something such as the Bible.

Depending on how well designed the beliefs the Faithful have adopted, they will likely live a much more relaxed and peaceful life than the Logical. To know the "Truth" is happyness, and to be confused and be doubtful leads to unhappyness. Therefore, those with fewer and weaker convictions are innevitably going to be unhappier.

The Faithful are more logical than the Logical in their beliefs, because they tend to choose a path in life that leads to happyness, not righteousness. The Logical choose a path of confusion over false assumptions, but curse themselves to an unhappy but idealistic existance.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Why would anyone chose to be unhappy? I dont understand what you are getting at. If faithfulness brings happiness then why choose the other. Which I do believe faithful people are also logical people.

"Why try so hard to fit in when you were born to stand out!!"

deep is the well of thine thoughts, really I read it through three times and I sense the true in your words more than comprehend them So I will probably return many times to seek the inner meaning of them.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

68 firebird its sad that you have no faith. Have you ever experienced somthing amazing? How was it logical? Where did love and our emotions come from? As I see it your emotions are like these these symboles at the top of this page.
I dont know you and Im not putting you down but, with out Faith how do the miracles in your life remain. It may sound strange to you but, have you ever felt a pure, true love. Not with a spouce but, with-in yourself? Just wondering!
Maybe this doesnt make sence, everyone has a diff. belief system but, the truth really is out there.
I use to hate it when people preached to me so, I know how you feel right now is how I've felt before!

"Why try so hard to fit in when you were born to stand out!!"

I'm from Vancouver, I have a wide range of interests, and I rarely take anything seriously.
--Maybe rereading the last 5 words of what you wrote would help!!!!

"Why try so hard to fit in when you were born to stand out!!"

I think my faith is connected to may spiritual perceptions, I don't think 68firebird beliefs include the spirit?

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

"68 firebird its sad that you have no faith. Have you ever experienced somthing amazing? How was it logical? Where did love and our emotions come from? As I see it your emotions are like these these symboles at the top of this page."
Emotions can be explained. Well perhaps not all but the vast majority can easily. They almost always have an indirect relation to reproducing/protecting the young.
Humiliation happens when we've embarassed ourselves and hence lowered our chances of getting anywhere with the opposite sex. That's how our body discourages us from embarassing ourselves.
Patriotism/pride is the feeling which encourages us to protect our tribe (or gene pool).
Love is a mix of wanting to reproduce + the assurance to your partner that you will be faithful.

I think nearly all emotions can be explained fairly easily scientifically by simply looking at what that emotion does and encourages us to do/not do.
"It may sound strange to you but, have you ever felt a pure, true love. Not with a spouce but, with-in yourself? Just wondering!"
Nope.. And that's probably, more then anything else, why I don't have faith.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

Edited:
I had hoped firbird would have responded, but I think it would be a little unfair to generalize that firebird has faith in nothing.
I find myself making my own definitions of words which may not coincide with the general usage or definition. Ex. I make a distinction between disbelief and ignorance. To me being ignorant doesn't mean being stupid so too disbelief (unbelief) doesn't necessarily mean not having faith.
firebirds statement doesn't mean he has faith in nothing, nor does this statement imply religious belief but positive emotions which are not logicial aspectsof life
In the old days, a trekkies like myself would seek to imitate Spock's detachment, seeking to be a logical being so to I found that like Data, this left me feeling less human something positve was missing, love.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
[  Edited by cturtle at   ]

FireBird-
I think there might very well be a corolation between a no-faith system, and being a big fan of Data and Spock. After all they are the ones that make the most sense, and can answer all unanswered questions logically.
As what my beliefs are? I don't have any as of now, maybe if I felt a extreme love for myself I would have faith in something, but then again wouldn't that make me concieted?
I believe that there are far to many ways of explaining reality to just set your beliefs in 'one system of beliefs' such as Christianity.
I don't think we will ever have our questions answered without a sliver of a doubt. There are too many. No one to me can logically explain Christianity to me, or should I say the belief of Christianity, so I don't believe it.
Furthermore, there should be no more question amoung intelligent people that whether you have faith or not makes you a good or bad person, or that you don't know what love is. These stupid-ass ideas have been repeated over and over again in so many threads its ridiculus.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

Firebird - I was quoting Bran (the parts between apostrophes) and adding my thoughts on the subject.

I don't believe logic and emotion are mutually exclusive. Just because one is rational and logical does not mean they are cold hearted and emotionless.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

Crimson_ that is not what I said. It would be hard for me if I didnt have fait, to have Loving emotions. Faith is what leads to to have caring and loving. Not that your not caring and loving. Just that pure love I was talking about!

firebird-------If you tryed faith and it brought more problems do you mean confustion. It is very hard to understand but, when you do understand it is a great feeling. I have been confused by it and gotten depressed and unsure. But, I just kept trying and I know I just need to walk by faith and not by sight. I need to believe and I feel it will get me far!!!!!!!!!

"Why try so hard to fit in when you were born to stand out!!"

Aah ok, I misunderstood. So faith is just a certain way of reaching those emotions but not the only way.. gottit.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

Faith is a way of reaching Pure emotion and Pure happiness.

"Why try so hard to fit in when you were born to stand out!!"

Reread your post, thought I should reply to this "Why would anyone chose to be unhappy? I dont understand what you are getting at. If faithfulness brings happiness then why choose the other."
I think its because a faithless person doesn't choose his beliefs. He believes in what makes the most sense to him as opposed to what is the most convenient or what will make him happy.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

YES, it can be a struggle when you question yourself. Doesnt last long and the outcome is great!!! You just have to be willing to try, be open and listen

"Why try so hard to fit in when you were born to stand out!!"