The God Thread

OKCITYKID--In your second statement of concerning God, I have to clarify, God is not an it. Concerning the God you talk to and receive answers from, God is a He.

I love your statements about the three Gods. Do you believe in Jesus Christ being the head of your life? I ask this because He is the God who answers prayers, questions, and provides people and dreams to prove himself to you. YOU must stand on your beliefs.

ANALOGY: Lets say we are in an orange painted, empty room, we both agree the room is orange. Someone walks in and decalres the room as a green room. We both believe it is orange, so we must stand on it and declare it being orange. But first we have to define orange and its shades and agree with the newcomer on the definition of orange and green.

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stealph It is helpful to direct statements if you are addressing or relating to a particular statement. Not an obligation but reduces confusion. As I received you mail so it became a question if you were referring your statement to me as I broached the subject.
GOD - the creator, Christ - the Lord of the Christians Life because He bought thee Christians life with His Own & Holy Spirit - which is the active agent in the Christians life (teaches, etc) this is paralleled in Native American (Lakota) Tradition

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

CTURTLE- I read your forum reply in depth and I think you were asking who I was directing the last thing I said to. I was talking to okcity.

first off i do believe in god but that god resides within all things .i cannot say though that i completly take the bible as gods word .in my opinion some of it must have been flawed and misrepresented .there are many scriptures that were rejected by the powers that be who put the bible together and i question the motives around that.

"fuck it"

" Therefore, just because we can't understand it or explain it, does not mean that it is not so. "
Of course not, that wasn't my argument. To take a similar example, we think ball lightning exists, but we have little or no understanding of it.
I'm arguing that God is like having 9/10 people in the world who claim they saw Ball Lightning, but every time that 1/10 tries to see it, it vanishes.

But of course, if its a personal thing, there is little to argue And although perhaps it is possible to explain a God-like feeling, I doubt I could trully argue against it unless I felt it.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

I guess that is faith.

I read all the way back to the begining on this thread, to get an idea of what kind of ideas everyone has. Some of it is very confusing, but some brings "new light", the point of ant "discussion forum" is to voice your own oppinion and appreciate anothers. This is fundamental, and greatly disregarded. But, enough ranting, I don't believe that I believe one way or another. I caanot prove there is a "God" and I cannot prove that there is not-this is the problem with saying that you know your belief is true. No one believed in gravity until it was proved, right? I guess the point I am trying to convey is, where is the supportive evidence? I have never seen any for either "God" or "no god" so I am in limbo.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

" I have never seen any for either "God" or "no god" so I am in limbo. "
Well most of the time, we consider this anything that is not proven to be false (which is not the same thing as not explained) or at least "probably false".
For example if I started a religion which worshipped the two headed polkadot elephant Nadosum, would you consider it true or false? You of course consider it false, even though you have no proof that Nadosum doesn't exist (he's hiding on Mars or something )

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

I would say that if you haven't seen God, ask God to reveal himself and study his word. You will see him work in your life, thus seeing God. Don't take that literally,

Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

"But of course, if its a personal thing, there is little to argue And although perhaps it is possible to explain a God-like feeling, I doubt I could trully argue against it unless I felt it."

Crimson - Thank You

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Stealth

I believe we should stand firmly for what we KNOW to be true.

But we must ask our self?

Do I KNOW? or Do I think I KNOW?

These are not easy questions. They take time to answer. We have to consider what we have been taught and what we have experienced. And what did that experience really mean?

When we are done answering this question. We might surely discover - we don't really know a whole lot. There isn't much we know for sure to stand up for.

This is religion: We believe and never know for sure. That is why it is called faith. Ofcourse with 100,000 different beliefs. We're not all going to believe the same things.

But I think that if what you believe is true is important to you, then you should believe that what I believe is true is important to me. And this is the law of religion. If you study all the major religions, you will find this is a truth taught across all of them. As I would wish this for me, so shall I wish this for you.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Agreed completely okcitykid.

The problem with a lot of die-hard christians is that built in that belief is the "there shall be no other gods before me" or something along those lines.

Therefore, to believe in that faith dictates that you renounce all others.

That is the problem. Some religions don't allow you to "Think you know", they say "you know" or "you are wrong".

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

why is it a problem for you to stand on what you believe and serve ONE God?

what is the fear of saying, "I will serve ONE God."?

what is the problem with renouncing all other Gods as false Gods?

what is the problem with God saying there shall be no other gods before me?

Faith is believing in the things not seen, and faith in God does ultimately renounces all others.
I do believe that serving any other God is wrong. I do believe however, that I can not put people in Hell (I hate when people say "You're going to Hell!!!" for being confused and or sure of serving another God.

However, I can use scripture to defend my Lord Jesus because that is what I, as a Christian, am called to do. And Jesus states the scripture clearly TWICE, IN TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS, written far from each other in time!

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

1Sa 7:3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the LORD with all your hearts, [then] put away the strange gods and Ashtaroth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the LORD, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.

Do you guys believe any of the past three verses to be true?

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What do you mean "true"?

I don't believe (to even a 1% degree) that God said those words, if that's what you're asking.

I don't have a problem believing in God... I have a problem with believing in a God who would be so damn insecure he would force us to be afraid of exploring other religions and beliefs.

My God isn't insecure, he's a tough guy. He says "go out and explore my child! and once you have found a truth that you find peace in, that is where you shall find me!"

NOT

"dude, you even so much as try to believe someone else and I'm gonna damn you so quick your head will spin..."

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Crimson, I believe what you are saying to be true:
"...we consider this anything that is not proven to be false..."
but what I am trying to point out is that I cannot prove nor disprove the theory of a "God". It is the same as not being able to prove there is life on another planet (where the polkadot elephant god is) . No one can prove there is another intelligent life form, just like no one can disprove it, we just cannot do that YET. It is really important to me to find factual evidence in anything that I put my belief in.
I have studied alot of different religions as well as alot of different Christian sub-religions, but I do this to explore them, and what they say about cultures, not to find something to believe in.

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""